Hi guys,
Quick qustion. I do a lot of Slug competition shooting (popular in my country), and I am always ending up second to another Rem870 (old 21" Slug Wingmaster Model). I spoke to the Guy & he told me that he has also upgraded the Firing Pin Hammer to the TC Trap version. Its a part readily availbe in the US.
It is lightened, and thus much faster !!
Before I proceed & order one, can anybody tell me if its an exchangable part for the 870 Express model. I have also send this question to Remington and am awaiting their response. Just thought somebody might have already tried it.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/548651 ... ge-tc-trap
Guys, Thanx for input.
Remington Hammer 870 12 Gauge TC Trap Upgrade
Remington Hammer 870 12 Gauge TC Trap Upgrade
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Re: Remington Hammer 870 12 Gauge TC Trap Upgrade
The pin hole, striking face, and sear & hammer plunger notches all appear to be identical. Remington's parts list also lists only one type of sear for the 870. A call to Remington to confirm would be smart, but it should be interchangeable. Speaking of Remington, they have that hammer listed for just $12 from their customer service department (not sure how the differences in shipping work out, though).teo2000 wrote:Before I proceed & order one, can anybody tell me if its an exchangable part for the 870 Express model.
To be honest though, I don't think a skeletonized hammer by itself is really going to make much difference, if any at all. I could sit down and calculate exactly what the inertial reduction would be between the two, but I doubt it'll be real significant, and a pump shotgun isn't exactly a precision instrument to begin with. If you secretly switched the competition hammer in your rival's shotgun with a standard one, I would be very surprised if the match results changed in any perceptible manner.
As I understand it, a lightened hammer is one of those competition upgrades that's about splitting hairs at the top of the spectrum, and it's usually just one of a large number of minor refinements made to serious (and seriously expensive) competition guns. I don't think it'll hurt anything, but if you're trying to really fine-tune things, you may want to first look at a lighter sear spring, smoothing your trigger pull, and maybe pinning your barrel to the receiver for more consistent shots.
By the way, what kind of slug shooting do you do in these competitions, and with what sort of slugs? I'm not real familiar with that type of competition shooting, and I'd be interested to learn more.
Re: Remington Hammer 870 12 Gauge TC Trap Upgrade
Agreed !!! Its realy more about phsychology ... I have also send this question to Remington and am awaiting their response. Just thought somebody might have already tried it.
However, I am sure the time difference from the time the trigger breaks till the hammer hits the firing pin will be substantially reduced due to that the hammer is lightended and thus faster - thus more accurate - its all about speed.
I have already added the lighter sear spring and smoothing trigger mods to my gun. They really help. Pinning your barrel to the receiver wont make much difference as both the front & rear sights are mounted on the barrel. I also dougbt that there is any movement of the barrel while the slug is traveling down the barrel.
What helps a great deal is changing the OEM sights. The standard new "Ball & Bucket" sights used by Remington today just arn't good enough. They dont help precision at all. The most important upgrade is adding a proper slim front "blade" rifle sight and a deep slim rear rifle sight. If you perform these mods, you'll be surprised how accurate slugs can be. From my experience, and I have seen & shot just about all slug guns out there, the single most accurate slug barrel is the Remington 21" Fixed IC Barrel !!
The competition takes place as follows.
30 competitors compete in 3 sets of 10 - The highest score wins.
The taget is like the official NRA 20 foot pistol target with the highest possible score being 10.
Targets are at 70m distance & 1.5m off ground.
Only open sights are permitted.
Any mods to your gun is permitted - any guage of shotgun is permitted.
Only slugs are permitted. Gun mag must be able to hold 5 rounds. No double barrels permitted.
When the ref gives the signal you have to fire 5 rounds within 15 seconds off the shoulder standing freely.
After every 5 rounds we walk up to the target to count points & plug the holes.
After every 10 rounds we change targets due to groupings being so tight that it is impossible to score correctly - you end up with a massive hole in the middle of the target.
In my last match this Sunday, the winner scored 226 out of a possible 300. Second place 223. Third 222. ...
This translates to a grouping of max 10"-12" of 30 slugs at 70m in 1.5minutes off the shoulder standing freely. Its really quite a challenge and quite impressive to watch. I'll see if I can make a small video for you the next competition.
The Remington Foster slugs are very accurate but also expensive (at least for us here). Brenekke slugs are equally accurate. I prefer Brenekkes for hunting as you can also get 39gram magnum shells - quite a boom!! Generally any slug that has a plastic wad stuck up its backside while it travels through the air tends to loose stabilty as the air drag acts on the wad and affects its trajectory. You can actually see the slugs drift off target with your naked eye - especially cheap range slugs.
Foster slugs are simply lead cups - no wads. The low preasure drag that forms behing the foster slug as it travels though the air actually stabilizes it. Brenekkes have a very small cotton wad screwed to their base - so very little negative dag effects.
Slug shooting is a lot of fun and there is much to be learned. However, should someone want to take-up shooting slugs at a competition level there are some basic things to look out for.
- Get a gun with max 21"-23" barrel. Rifled slug barrels are not permitted in my country - they are far more accurate.
- Get a fixed choke gun. IC is best CYL is also good - IC is better.
- Get decent rifle sights (for precise shooting) - Ghost rings, and ribs are for a different application, though fairly accurate.
- Remember *** Consider the trajectory of the slug - they are lethal projectiles at least up to 1km (1000 yards).
However, I am sure the time difference from the time the trigger breaks till the hammer hits the firing pin will be substantially reduced due to that the hammer is lightended and thus faster - thus more accurate - its all about speed.
I have already added the lighter sear spring and smoothing trigger mods to my gun. They really help. Pinning your barrel to the receiver wont make much difference as both the front & rear sights are mounted on the barrel. I also dougbt that there is any movement of the barrel while the slug is traveling down the barrel.
What helps a great deal is changing the OEM sights. The standard new "Ball & Bucket" sights used by Remington today just arn't good enough. They dont help precision at all. The most important upgrade is adding a proper slim front "blade" rifle sight and a deep slim rear rifle sight. If you perform these mods, you'll be surprised how accurate slugs can be. From my experience, and I have seen & shot just about all slug guns out there, the single most accurate slug barrel is the Remington 21" Fixed IC Barrel !!
The competition takes place as follows.
30 competitors compete in 3 sets of 10 - The highest score wins.
The taget is like the official NRA 20 foot pistol target with the highest possible score being 10.
Targets are at 70m distance & 1.5m off ground.
Only open sights are permitted.
Any mods to your gun is permitted - any guage of shotgun is permitted.
Only slugs are permitted. Gun mag must be able to hold 5 rounds. No double barrels permitted.
When the ref gives the signal you have to fire 5 rounds within 15 seconds off the shoulder standing freely.
After every 5 rounds we walk up to the target to count points & plug the holes.
After every 10 rounds we change targets due to groupings being so tight that it is impossible to score correctly - you end up with a massive hole in the middle of the target.
In my last match this Sunday, the winner scored 226 out of a possible 300. Second place 223. Third 222. ...
This translates to a grouping of max 10"-12" of 30 slugs at 70m in 1.5minutes off the shoulder standing freely. Its really quite a challenge and quite impressive to watch. I'll see if I can make a small video for you the next competition.
The Remington Foster slugs are very accurate but also expensive (at least for us here). Brenekke slugs are equally accurate. I prefer Brenekkes for hunting as you can also get 39gram magnum shells - quite a boom!! Generally any slug that has a plastic wad stuck up its backside while it travels through the air tends to loose stabilty as the air drag acts on the wad and affects its trajectory. You can actually see the slugs drift off target with your naked eye - especially cheap range slugs.
Foster slugs are simply lead cups - no wads. The low preasure drag that forms behing the foster slug as it travels though the air actually stabilizes it. Brenekkes have a very small cotton wad screwed to their base - so very little negative dag effects.
Slug shooting is a lot of fun and there is much to be learned. However, should someone want to take-up shooting slugs at a competition level there are some basic things to look out for.
- Get a gun with max 21"-23" barrel. Rifled slug barrels are not permitted in my country - they are far more accurate.
- Get a fixed choke gun. IC is best CYL is also good - IC is better.
- Get decent rifle sights (for precise shooting) - Ghost rings, and ribs are for a different application, though fairly accurate.
- Remember *** Consider the trajectory of the slug - they are lethal projectiles at least up to 1km (1000 yards).
Re: Remington Hammer 870 12 Gauge TC Trap Upgrade
Got an official reply from the Remington help desk via e-mail:
Question:
Will a Remington 870 12 Gauge TC Trap Hammer (Remington #: F91736) work in a Remington 870 Express Deer Gun, instead of the original. This is the lightened Trap version and I wish to use it in my competition gun.
Answer:
The hammer will fit with no problem. The only concern may be is if the weight is enough to reliable fire magnum loads if using the Trap hammer in your deer gun. Using the hammer from the deer gun in the Trap model should cause no issue.
Good aftersales service from the company - thanks.
Question:
Will a Remington 870 12 Gauge TC Trap Hammer (Remington #: F91736) work in a Remington 870 Express Deer Gun, instead of the original. This is the lightened Trap version and I wish to use it in my competition gun.
Answer:
The hammer will fit with no problem. The only concern may be is if the weight is enough to reliable fire magnum loads if using the Trap hammer in your deer gun. Using the hammer from the deer gun in the Trap model should cause no issue.
Good aftersales service from the company - thanks.
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Re: Remington Hammer 870 12 Gauge TC Trap Upgrade
I thought the lighter hammer might cause problems with harder primers if it wasn't hitting the pin elastically enough, but it's odd that they specifically called out magnum shells, which use the same primers as non-magnum shells (as far as I know, at least).teo2000 wrote:The hammer will fit with no problem. The only concern may be is if the weight is enough to reliable fire magnum loads if using the Trap hammer in your deer gun.