12" barrel

[AkiroHikage]

Although I seem to be striking out here, I don't think 12" 870 wouldn't count as an Any Other Weapon (AOW) since the 870 has a fixed shoulder stock (at least originally) or is meant to be shouldered which excludes it from AOW. So Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS) is probably where it would fall. Those in the USA should be weary though as state and local laws can be more restrictive and prohibit SBS categorized shotguns entirely all depends where you live if your a civilian.

Any Other Weapon

26 U.S.C. § 5845(E)

For the purposes of the National Firearms Act, the term “Any Other Weapon” means:

Any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive;
A pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell;
Weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading; and
Any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire.
Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition.

[cv0lv0g0]

Only if you have a stock folding or fixed would it be an SBS. Now if you put a PGO on it then you can register it as a AOW. Google REMINGTON 870 AOW, If you make one it still cost $200 but the transfer stamp (IE one person to another) it's only five dollars. So if you were going to make one go for an SBS.

[AkiroHikage]

It has to come from the factory with the pistol grip you cannot add one to make it an AOW. If you add a pistol grip and the overall length of the weapon is less than 26" then you have a SBS.

[cv0lv0g0]

No, it isn't. doesn't matter if it comes from the factory with a pistol grip. When you fill out a form 1 you are making a firearm or suppressor and registering it as so.


Now here is a twist shotguns that came with a PGO from factory can be shorted to 26" OAL meaning you can hack down the barrel to short as you want just as long as the
guns oal is 26".

http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=88

[AkiroHikage]

Yes it must come from factory pistol grip only after market doesn't cut it. Your link to shockwave even notes that. if the weapon has had a shoulder stock then it was a shotgun and must comply with minimum barrel length or be a SBS.

That link is pretty neat for that short mossy though.

[cv0lv0g0]

Yes it must come from factory pistol grip only after market doesn't cut it. Your link to shockwave even notes that. if the weapon has had a shoulder stock then it was a shotgun and must comply with minimum barrel length or be a SBS.

That link is pretty neat for that short mossy though.

..... If you don't get it after this I don't car.... Google "Remington 870 AOW".....

[AkiroHikage]

Mind the delay I have been on vacation , somehow I missed this comment before

Only if you have a stock folding or fixed would it be an SBS. Now if you put a PGO on it then you can register it as a AOW. Google REMINGTON 870 AOW, If you make one it still cost $200 but the transfer stamp (IE one person to another) it's only five dollars. So if you were going to make one go for an SBS.

That is basically what I was getting at was that an individual couldn't just throw on the PGO and make it an AOW for $5, essentially that would be attempting to manufacture an NFA firearm and one would need to either need a FLL (possibly a class 2 depending on what you are doing with the special occupational tax) or use Form 1 to apply for a single firearm.

I definitely agree that it would be better to go for the SBS category if someone wanted to go through that trouble though. AOWs should really just be oddball weapons, pen guns and such. And yes I have googled 870 AOWs that is hardly an answer to back anything up with though.

[cv0lv0g0]

Do you know what a form 1 is? Five dollars is the transfer tax for an aow that is already in the system.
By filling out a form 1 you are creating a new firearm/suppressor which is possible with 200 bucks and time.

[AkiroHikage]

I am referring to creating an AOW or SBS hence why I mentioned Form 1, thought that was pretty clear with my last post.

That is basically what I was getting at was that an individual couldn't just throw on the PGO and make it an AOW for $5, essentially that would be attempting to manufacture an NFA firearm...

The transfer stamp for an existing NFA firearm is cheap since the manufacturer already ate the cost to register/create it in the first place.