Just got this email from Remington; apparently they're going to revolutionize the entire industry tomorrow - or something along those lines.
What are people's guesses? Judging by the emphasis placed on the letters "DM" and the piece added around the ejection port of the 870 in the picture, my money's on a box mag-fed variant of the 870. If that's the case, I'm sure I'll be rather "bah, humbug" about it personally, but it could be an interesting addition to the lineup so long as parts interchangeability isn't affected too much.
Big news from Remington - 870 Detachable Magazine
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how many rounds do you think that would hold? interested to see what they say tomorrow.
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how do you get email updates btw?
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Seems to be six round magazineJbur wrote:how many rounds do you think that would hold? interested to see what they say tomorrow.
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Knoxx did that years ago with the Mossberg and box fed mags.
Knoxx no longer sells them. Some other company owns the rights to it now, but that's what it reminds me of.
Knoxx no longer sells them. Some other company owns the rights to it now, but that's what it reminds me of.
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Thanks for sharing the article; but oof, it's even uglier than I thought it would be...
I'm sure this'll find a market, but I just don't see an overall benefit for practical applications (range toy duty, sure, go nuts). With rifles, going from tubes to boxes takes you from 5 - 7 shots to 20 - 30 rounds or more (plus more flexibility in bullet design), and that's a big difference. With this, you're not really gaining any capacity; shotshells are just too wide. 6+1 (or 5+1, depending on how it's defined) is pretty much the status quo, considering a traditional tube'll get you 5+1 under a 14" barrel, 6+1 or 7+1 under an 18/18.5", and 7+1 or 8+1 under a 20" - and in a much more streamlined package. Yeah, reloading from zero is a bit faster, but there's a lot you're giving up for just that one minor advantage.
Obviously, you can't top off the magazine without pulling it, but you also lose port-loading & changeovers, the ability to attach any saddle-mount accessories, and tube space ahead of the fore-end for mounting weapon lights & sling attachments (I guarantee we're going to see folks putting mag extensions on these just to mount accessories). Good luck trying to shoot this off a low bipod or rest, too. These are also looking like they're not going to work with anything but a short fore-end.
And we still don't know how well these mags handle different shell lengths, or whether they avoid the shell deformation & rim-lock issues that have shown up in other mag-fed shotguns. Hopefully they'll at least accept other standard 870 barrels, otherwise you might as well give this gun a completely different model name.
By the way, I like how the photos of that kit are all taken with the fore-end in the rear position, to try to hide how uncomfortably far forward the fore-end has to be moved to make room for the magazine.
I'm sure this'll find a market, but I just don't see an overall benefit for practical applications (range toy duty, sure, go nuts). With rifles, going from tubes to boxes takes you from 5 - 7 shots to 20 - 30 rounds or more (plus more flexibility in bullet design), and that's a big difference. With this, you're not really gaining any capacity; shotshells are just too wide. 6+1 (or 5+1, depending on how it's defined) is pretty much the status quo, considering a traditional tube'll get you 5+1 under a 14" barrel, 6+1 or 7+1 under an 18/18.5", and 7+1 or 8+1 under a 20" - and in a much more streamlined package. Yeah, reloading from zero is a bit faster, but there's a lot you're giving up for just that one minor advantage.
Obviously, you can't top off the magazine without pulling it, but you also lose port-loading & changeovers, the ability to attach any saddle-mount accessories, and tube space ahead of the fore-end for mounting weapon lights & sling attachments (I guarantee we're going to see folks putting mag extensions on these just to mount accessories). Good luck trying to shoot this off a low bipod or rest, too. These are also looking like they're not going to work with anything but a short fore-end.
And we still don't know how well these mags handle different shell lengths, or whether they avoid the shell deformation & rim-lock issues that have shown up in other mag-fed shotguns. Hopefully they'll at least accept other standard 870 barrels, otherwise you might as well give this gun a completely different model name.
You talking about the Sidewinder kits for the 500s? At least Remington's approach looks less ghetto-rigged than that mess.
By the way, I like how the photos of that kit are all taken with the fore-end in the rear position, to try to hide how uncomfortably far forward the fore-end has to be moved to make room for the magazine.
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Yes, that's essentially what I was referring to. Though I think that is the new version of it.
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http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/1 ... -shotguns/
Not my thing but they do look cool.
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Go here (https://www.remington.com/shop/) and use the link at top center to set up an account, and of course make sure "receive email promotions" is checked.jbur wrote:how do you get email updates btw?
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