Rem 870 Express Tactical whit BlackHawk stock. (81404)

[TANGO44]

Hi new to the forum but not to guns.
Here in sunny FL, I EDC a G19 as my all around gun, and during summer days or when I'm staying at Miami I carry a G26, but I decided that a shotgun will a great HD gun for my property in Venus FL.

I did my research and by far the 870 is the most popular shotgun in the US, went to my local Gun shop and my friend show me this model:


http://www.remington.com/products/firea ... khawk.aspx

It's a 870 Express Tactical with Blackhawk Stock, so I have questions about it.

What do you think about it?
Is this te right model for me?
Any other models instead of this for HD?

Please let me know your opinion and what do you think?

Thank you

[TFuller]

Is anybody else seeing what I'm seeing? The barrel ring is towards the end and acting like a barrel clamp for the tube extender, right? And instead of the sling mount being on the tube clamp, it's on the end of the tube cap, right?

Did they just create this config, or has it always been there?

FWIW, I'm having doubts on my SpecOps stock and thinking that a non-recoil suppression stock may be the better choice due to the "wiggliness" I feel when I shoot. I'm still a newbie on shotguns, though. Adjustable stock - okay. A stock that lets the receiver move around - questionable.

[Vitaly]

Is anybody else seeing what I'm seeing? The barrel ring is towards the end and acting like a barrel clamp for the tube extender, right? And instead of the sling mount being on the tube clamp, it's on the end of the tube cap, right?

Did they just create this config, or has it always been there?

FWIW, I'm having doubts on my SpecOps stock and thinking that a non-recoil suppression stock may be the better choice due to the "wiggliness" I feel when I shoot. I'm still a newbie on shotguns, though. Adjustable stock - okay. A stock that lets the receiver move around - questionable.

Wow, it is really interesting! I have never seen long standard magazine and it looks like a good idea. I think that long magazine without extension is more reliable than a magazine+extension. Sometimes follower get stuck between the mag tube and extension, that happened to me just several times (before polishing sharp edges of the follower) but this can happen.

[cv0lv0g0]

That is really neat. The barrel and magazine tube.


I don't think many people have used that gun yet. So it may be awhile until someone can say something about it.

As far as the action is concerned an 870 would be a great choice for a beginner.

[TANGO44]

That is really neat. The barrel and magazine tube.


I don't think many people have used that gun yet. So it may be awhile until someone can say something about it.

As far as the action is concerned an 870 would be a great choice for a beginner.

To be honest I went today to the Gun Shop and it has a clamp in the barrel to the tube extension, is 6+1 with a 18.5 barrel.
Do you think this is a good option to get, I don't want to start with these and tehn have to change it because there's a better 870.

Please let me know.
Thank you.

Ok... "better"

here

Express
Wingmaster/Marine Magnum
Police magnum

this is the grade basically

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The Express:
A rougher, unpolished finish inside and out. More burrs.
A rough black finish.
A hardwood or synthetic stock.
Cheaper, impressed checkering.
A black bolt.
A plastic trigger group.
The lockable safety button.
"Possible" a two piece barrel.
The new style magazine assembly with plastic parts and the "dimples".
A rougher bore in the barrel.
Uses some MIM, (moulded steel parts) in critical areas, like the extractor.

The Wingmaster:
A much smoother, polished finish inside and out. No burrs.
A polished blue finish.
Walnut or synthetic stocks with choice of gloss or satin finish.
Better quality checkering.
A chrome plated bolt.
An aluminum trigger group.
The Lockable safety button.
A one piece barrel.
The old style steel magazine assembly, no dimples.
A much smoother bore.
No MIM parts are used in any critical area.

The Police.
A smooth finish inside and out.
A Mil-spec parkerized finish.
Walnut or synthetic stock.
Black bolt.
Aluminum trigger guard
NO lockable safety button.
A one piece barrel.
The old style magazine assembly, no dimples, will take magazine extensions, etc.
A smooth, polished bore.
No MIM parts used.
A heavy-duty magazine spring.
A heavy-duty trigger-sear spring.
POSSIBLY heavier shell releases.
A wide choice in sights, stocks, magazine extensions, and other accessories.

NOTE: I keep hearing that Remington has discontinued the lockable safety button, and I'm not SURE Remington does use heavy-duty shell releases on the Police model.

Also, there is a good chance the Express barrels are made of two pieces: a rear section with the barrel extension and locking recess, with a barrel sleeved into it.
On most newer Express guns I can just make out what appears to be the joint just in front of the chamber area.

Bottom line: There's more (or less) to the Express than JUST the finish and wood.
Although all the Remington guns use the same forged and milled steel receiver, the Express uses some cheaper MIM and plastic parts.

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[PRegner]

Without actually meeting you, and with no real information about you, it's kind of hard to make an assesment regarding what shotgun is right for you.

Unless you have a medical condition (shoulder replacement, etc.), or of particularly diminutive stature, I would have to think carefully if a recoil-reducing stock is really needed. Of course, it's all a matter of personal preference.

As for myself, I prefer the solid feel and weight of a hardwood stock, with the older one piece hard rubber butt-plate. I figure that in a self-defense situation (or the Zombie apocolypse), if my attackers are still combative after I expend my ammunition, then I still have a nice, hefty club at my disposal. If the walnut furniture on my 870 gets scratched or damaged, it's a simple procedure to sand, oil and buff it back to a nice finish. Once again, a matter or personal choice.

The one thing I can recommend without reservation, is the Remington 870 as a foundation for your weapon. I'm relatively certain that you won't find a wider variety of choices in after-market support for parts and accesories; pretty much assuring you that what-ever your final build looks like, it's bound to be unique to you in some way or another.

[gypsydan41]

I try to watch very carefully as to what all our forces are up to with weapons in general. So as far as combat shotgunning, KEEP IT SIMPLE! Simple seams to work more often than not. You start adding things like lights,lazers etc... you add weight, you add batteries, you add up to many things that can go wrong at the wrong time,right? I know I'm right. If you go to a fight without a shotgun. then don't go to the fight!! I really like the pistol grip on your shotgun though. Yeah I agree with the wobble of "tactical stock" I want to be able to blow a door for myself through a wall, go down a hall, use my 870 to bash open a window and then be able to kill a car. That flimsy crap is for the movies. Trench guns forever man.

[KillroyWasHere]

This is the same 870 that I got. I've had it for about 6-months or so. Absolutely great shooter without a single misfire or misfeed. I've added side-saddle, Surefire 618LM, Blackhawk Knox cheek piece with side-saddle, Blackhawk Storm single point sling, and EOTech 512 sight.

The recoil reducing stock is absolutely great even with slugs. I can shoot over 100 slugs in a couple of hours and I don't feel any fatigue at all.

I did something a little different with my EOTech 512 sights. I zeroed it at 15-yards with slugs and I can keep my 00-buck within the 8/9 circle on any target up to 20-yards with no problems and with rapid fire. Being a home defense gun I did not need to zero it any further than 20-yards. Even the wife can blast 6 00-buck at rapid fire at 10-15 yards and not single pellet goes outside of 7 ring.

I'll post pics later when I can get my camera out to take some new pics.

[rythomas0704]

The only downside that I can see to this model is the one piece mag tube. Yes it is the higher capacity of 6+1 but the magazine tube is one piece and that means that the barrel that comes stock has a ring further up the barrel than all other 870's. This will limit your options for barrels in the long run. Remington makes (as well as a few other companies) tons of different barrels for the 870 but they are designed for the 4 round tube not the one piece 6 round tube. So as I said that is the only thing that can see might be a problem. Other than that it looks to be a great gun... as is ALL 870's. Personally I would get a model with the 4 round tube and just add an extension. This way you will still have plenty of barrel options.

[Synchronizor]

The only downside that I can see to this model is the one piece mag tube. Yes it is the higher capacity of 6+1 but the magazine tube is one piece and that means that the barrel that comes stock has a ring further up the barrel than all other 870's. This will limit your options for barrels in the long run. Remington makes (as well as a few other companies) tons of different barrels for the 870 but they are designed for the 4 round tube not the one piece 6 round tube. So as I said that is the only thing that can see might be a problem. Other than that it looks to be a great gun... as is ALL 870's. Personally I would get a model with the 4 round tube and just add an extension. This way you will still have plenty of barrel options.

For a single-role combat 870, the 6+1 receiver has its benefits. It comes apart and goes back together far more conveniently and with less finish wear than a 4+1 gun with a clamped extension, and improper reassembly of a magazine extension can potentially cause feeding issues that can't occur in a one-piece tube. The lack of a mandatory barrel clamp, coupling nut, and central guide ring also provides a bit of extra flexibility when installing clamped accessories.

The problem with these 870s is that many of them are sold in big-box stores or catch-all sports suppliers, where the kid that got called over from the neighboring department isn't familiar with the gun's limitations and intended roles. Many new 870 owners are buying these guns based on limited or inaccurate knowledge, and don't realize that they've purchased a single-role variant until they try to buy a second barrel for sporting or hunting.