Big news from Remington - 870 Detachable Magazine

[Banshee]

I think I'll pass

[jbur88]

For some reason, the fact that there is still a mag tube there bugs me lol. I know the pump needs something to slide on but have a empty mag tube seems dumb to me.

[DaveC]

Just watched the über-super-dooper-marketing video... Meh. I mean, don't get me wrong, there were some excellent points raised.
The guy who lives on a boat in North Carolina (hope he knows Cape Hatteras is literally the "Graveyard of the Atlantic!" ) was clearly thinking about marine climate resistance and got good responses about the lubes Remington, erm, "Big Green" has produced.
I could see having a six-round+1 870 as a "repel all boarders" rig on a nice boat in a sketchy part of the high seas.

I also enjoyed learning about new-fangled chokes for hog hunting, since this is a pursuit I'd like to do. Of course, that doesn't mean I need the 870DM, but still, it was informative. I thought that turkey-hunting and hog-hunting version of the DM was pretty cool, actually.

If someone masters the Tanegashima Teppo-jitsu with the TAC-14 mag-fed version, again, I could see the appeal.

Years ago a member pointed out to us that SAIGA magazines were ready made to strip rounds off of and put in the 870. And other shell carriers also exist, of course. Still, at 35 USD, it might be competitive with other ammo carrier types.

I'm satisfied with my 4+1 870 Express, and I'm not in the market for one of these here DMs, but boy that one with the wood stock furniture was quite nice. Of course, I need a youth-sized length-of-pull because I'm height deficient, short that is.

The first place I ever saw a magazine fed pump-action shotgun was Santiago de Cuba. The armored car guards would come and scoop up the hard currency at the tourist hotels and two guys would get out with the 12-ga. magazine fed scatterguns. Pretty gnarly. There'd been an armed robbery of a hard-currency bearing armored truck way back in 1997 (Makarovs as I recall, people shot, ugly scene...), so of course the armored cars were, uh, "upraded." I think they were from Italy.

Thing is, one would need a carrier for spare magazines--a bag or pouch--in order to make use of the magazine capability. And in typical defensive use--highly unlikely--having to reload the magazines, whether a tube or 6+1 magazine seems unlikely. Out of time before out of shells as it were. Police departments and armored car companies--and not only in Cuba!--might find this a handy configuaration.

Anyhow, interesting! They didn't answer my question: "If the tube that normally holds the tub magazine, has the barrel retaining ring affixed to it, serves as the point of attachment for the pump/slide, and receives the barrel retention nut is no longer a tube magazine... Can it be used to store a cleaning kit, additional ammunition, or other gear?" I find myself wondering.

Oh. One more thing, I could totally see someone with the Magpul forend pulling it to the rear to extract, eject, and re-cock the shotgun, but then hit the thing--the "paddle" or magazine latch--and thereby drop the mag... We'll see, I guess!

[DaveC]

Oh, one more thing:

Synch-- I'm with you to a great extent. Truth be told, I rather prefer not having detachable magazines on my "emergency guns." By that I mean magazines do introduce points of failure--although admittedly a good many well-designed magazines are really making this a "non-issue." Also, magazines can get lost or dropped. Now I do have several firearms with detachable magazines, including M1 carbines, but I carry revolvers--no magazines--and I have all sorts of firearms with no detachable magazines, including of course, tube-fed shotguns.

Where I'm curious is the point you raised about not being able to do a "tactical reload" with this here DM version? I mean, hammer falls on an empty chamber, "click!" versus "bang." So the pump is opened, and you grab a single shell--if available--and pop it in the ejection port and close the slide. Couldn't it work that way? Obviously, I think the point is to immediately swap mags... But one then needs a spare magazine.

[Synchronizor]

I suppose if you're going into a gunfight and you want to be able to put out sustained fire, a detachable mag would have benefits if you also pack along a chest rig with a bunch of spare magazines. But then that raises the question: if you expected a gunfight, why would you take a 12ga with 6-round box magazines when you could have an AR or some other semi-auto rifle (or even one of these) with a 30+ rounds to a magazine?

Where I'm curious is the point you raised about not being able to do a "tactical reload" with this here DM version? I mean, hammer falls on an empty chamber, "click!" versus "bang." So the pump is opened, and you grab a single shell--if available--and pop it in the ejection port and close the slide. Couldn't it work that way? Obviously, I think the point is to immediately swap mags... But one then needs a spare magazine.

I was mostly thinking of change-overs, as I don't see any convenient way to "interrupt" the box mag in order to slip in something else instead. You have to carry extra loaded mags for whatever other ammo you think you might need (or take time out to unload and re-load a mag).

But as an extension of that, it looks like (from what very little I've seen, I'll admit) the feed lips & follower of an empty magazine could get in the way of dropping a shell in through the loading port. It seems like the magazine follower is doing the job of holding the shell against the top of the receiver & lining it up with the chamber - which is what the shell carrier does in a normal 870, and you can't (easily) port-load a normal 870 if the carrier is elevated. Maybe it's possible if you apply enough force to shove the shell in above the follower, but I expect it would at least be easier to screw up than dropping a shell into a tube-fed 870 with the carrier down.

Also, port-loading with the magazine out of the gun isn't going to happen unless you use special techniques similar to those for single-shot operation of an 870 with the carrier removed.

[jbur88]

Just watched the über-super-dooper-marketing video... Meh.

Could you post a link to that video? i'd like to watch it too.

[Goodgun]

Can you imagine, shooting that TAC 14 version? Lol..

[Goodgun]

Sorry..just not really interested. Looks like a injury, waiting to happen? Lol..

[Mb1500]

Bolt doesn't look standard but haven't been able to see a clear enough picture or see someone take one apart to know.

[DaveC]

It's not. A good many components are specific to the DM model, particularly the bolt and such.