Kentactic wrote:Im not so good with the multiple quotes thing..
When you're writing a post, you can scroll down below the text field to where the previous posts are displayed, select only the part of a post you want to quote, then click the "quote" button on that specific post (if you click a quote button on a different post, it'll assign the wrong name) to place the selected text into your reply with the proper BBCode tags. Alternatively, you can insert a quote of an entire post, then delete any text you don't want displayed.
Kentactic wrote:Next i made the point that ballistic gel isnt a match to human flesh.. no need to repeat me.
I probably could have been more clear there. What I meant to convey is that penetration in a human body can deviate from gel simulations in both directions. Depending on whether or not a pellet encounters bones and denser organs, gel penetration figures can be an underestimate as well as an overestimate of performance.
Kentactic wrote:You keep saying more wound channels with more pellets, but they are smaller wound channels too.
A .24- or .25-caliber pellet through the aorta or spinal cord is just as deadly as a .32- or .33-caliber pellet, and it's been more than proven that #4 and #3 are perfectly capable of penetrating that deep when used at appropriate ranges. If those sizes were as weak as you say, the 20ga would be useless for defensive purposes.
Kentactic wrote:Again i just dont see #00 going through a mans upper body then 2 sheets of drywall and still doing any harm. If you can show detailed reports of #00 going through a man and a wall and harming a person on the other side id like to see it. I would imagine in many cases the pellets missed the bad guy all together and kept on going.
I'm not privy to police reports, but I know there have
been casualties due to pellet pass-through in police shootings. They're referred to by individuals who do
have access to those records in the podcast
I linked in another thread. This is more of a concern in urban police engagements than a lot of HD situations; but it's still a consideration for those who live in densely-populated areas or apartment buildings, where a threat may have to be dealt with before all noncombatants can be accounted for.
Kentactic wrote:I want all the penetration i can get with a shotgun while still maintaining the use of a pattern. The smaller size pellets look real good until the bad guys shooting blindly from behind a couch or around a corner in your house. Anyone can run anything they want but ill stand by my opinion that any smaller or bigger pellets is a down grade.
If your HD scenarios include defeating barriers (though I'm not sure a normal sofa counts as such) with your shotgun, then larger pellets do make sense.
Again, there's just no single load that is best for every situation. People need to consider what they may have to deal with, what tools they will have at their disposal, and what hazards are present in the environment, and plan accordingly. Small buckshot, large buckshot, and slugs each have their strengths and downsides; the optimum choice will change depending on the circumstances. I'm not attacking your personal selection or your HD strategy; I'm just disagreeing with your intimation that 00B - capable as it may be - is the optimal choice for every